#discourse discourse

[deadbeat-dyke]

ppl on here who refuse to define words or think we can change the meaning on things make me think of all of the dead western philosopher men i had to study to get a philosophy degree: theyre extremely annoying, base their arguments on assumptions that they think everyone should have but in reality these assumptions are deeply held beliefs that theyve never questioned, and disagree on the nature of reality - they disagree specifically with the perception of reality that is obvious to the average layperson so that they can obfuscate and confuse their way into being correct by manipulating words into what they want them to mean; with the result that they try to create logical arguments to support their unquestioned deeply held beliefs which do not stand up to scrutiny in actual experiential reality.

[sagegreenyaps]

We need to stop being surprised when a slogan or term relating to a movement that uses generalizing language loses all nuance.

"Down with cis," "men are trash," "fiction doesn't affect reality," "the future is mentally ill," so-on and so-forth.

I dunno, man (gender neutral). If somebody said, "albinos are abcesses," it doesn't matter how much they afterwards explained to me that they actually mean that the medical field should be researching my condition more. It doesn't matter to me what they meant because they had to explain it. You wanna know why that's not a good thing? Why, even though the intended meaning would be something actually beneficial to me?

Them having to explain it means it's easy to interpret what they said any which way. Thus, I know that eventually another person is going to interpret the phrase as "people with albinism are societal blemishes." And you know which definition is going to stick? The new one.

Language rarely ever goes backwards, and language is as precious as the time it skirts by upon.

It also wouldn't matter to me if somebody said, "Long-nailed people don't deserve fingers," and they then explained that they meant they're tired of people like myself scratching them on accident or drumming our nails on surfaces, but that they don't actually mean they want anything bad to happen to my fingers. I guarantee you there are people out there shouting from the rooftops that, "Long-nailed people don't deserve fingers," fully believing the 'misinterpretation'. Now, I ask, where's their explanation that they have the wrong idea, hm? (That's some infighting I'd actually want to see-- no more of this echo-chamber, blind acceptance garbage. Debate. Draw up some actual nuance. Stop copying other people's views word-for-word. DO RESEARCH WITHOUT CONFIRMATION BIASES, even. Come on, people, hop to it...!!)

With activism, it often pays to say what you mean, especially when what you say can be taken so extremely contrary to what you mean. And to that same end, it often costs you to drive people away (and the easiest way to do that is by using spite or inflammatory language as a driver).

[berserklurk]

users on this site will have the most obscure, esoteric, leftwing political discourse with such vitriol and righteous indignation like. calm down. you are not the messiah here to save us from ourselves. you are not the smartest most well read student of political theory ever and going to restore utopia so long as we all listen to and adopt your ideas. tumblr is not the platform to make your political dissertation anyway, maybe publish a book. this format does not lend to nuance, no social media does. these problems are far too big and complex for two twenty year olds who read the communist manifesto and two other political works to solve.

[axolotine]

Somebody is wrong on the internet and then there's pages of the most insufferable condescending assholes on earth attempting to dunk. Sitting there half mast gritting their teeth thinking about how many internets they're about to win. Goes triply so if the person who was wrong is a minority.

[thosearentcrimes]

Ok, there's something I'd like to check. If you are changing the subject of a conversation or discourse, and your own contribution is non-trivial, do you typically note that you are changing the topic while introducing your own? In this case take changing to mean any significant reduction or increase of scope of the topic, any transformation of a detail or other non-focal element of the existing conversation into the main topic of your own contribution, or bringing up something new that was barely or not at all mentioned.

Because personally it's something I don't recall ever being taught but I suppose I must have picked up as a habit from observation. Just like an "I know this wasn't the main point but..." or "What struck me is more that..." or "All that other stuff aside", that kind of stuff, basically just a slightly modified introduction phrase. I won't use it if it would significantly lengthen the post or if I'm just making a joke or something, of course.

[lgbtransgirl]

Ice cold takes from a Transgender Woman:

Men are not inherently Evil

Everyone has the capacity for evil

Transgender Men are men

Transgender Women are women

Excluding Cisgender Men from your spaces requires Transgender Men to out themselves if they want to engage (Same for Women)

Anyone can be Non-Binary, there is no "look" or requirement

Non-binary masculine presenting people should be welcome in queer spaces, many are just treated as men and predators

Non-binary feminine presenting people should be welcome in queer spaces without being seen as "Woman-Lite"

Edited the wording on the first point because too many terfs keep thinking I'm their friend.

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

[shyjusticewarrior]

At some point "fanfic can be as good as professional writing" became "fanfic should be as good as professional writing" and that's caused major damage to fandom spaces.

[conarcoin]

"gooner" is straight up just a weird conservative dogwhistle at this point

[biggest-gaudiest-patronuses]

Happy annual Dracula Paprika Discourse Day to those who celebrate!

[etz-ashashiyot]

Happy freedom weekend to all who celebrate!

[griffonatrix]

"you don't have to transition to be trans": overdone, dull, runs cover for taking away medical care from those who need it

"you don't have to be trans to transition": exciting, poignant, radical perspective on the right to bodily autonomy

[001x456]

no you have to contribute to your fandom if you don't want it to die. most fandoms die because people say 'it's so sad watching the fandom die when the hype dies' without doing anything about it. I'm not saying you have to push out 100k word slow-burn fic, I'm not saying you have to make fan art or gif sets or edits or anything. I'm just saying we as a community should contribute to our fandom if we don't want it to die, and by contributing, I'm talking about giving kudos, commenting on your favorite fics, reblogging your favorite art and just talking about your favorite characters. that's enough to keep a fandom alive. that's the most effective way to keep a fandom alive in my humble opinion.

fandoms die because people stop talking about it, fandoms die because people stop engaging with fan content once the hype is gone. what I'm saying is, mainstream media's hype may be gone, but our fandom can stay alive and thriving if us as a community don't let it die.

[keitrinkomfloukru]

[todayisdeadinside]

if you have "cishet men dni" in your bio i, a trans man, will not touch you with a 10 foot pole. i should not be forced to out myself as a trans man just to interact with you. on top of that, cishet men are not inherently evil. stop trying to reinvent bioessentialism with your "girl good, boy bad!" mentality.